Interview with DIEGO MILESI - 31. December 2008

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Interview with DIEGO MILESI - 31. December 2008

Real name? Diego Groff

Age? 41 years old

When and why did you begin to produce music?
Ever since that little sound, my dream was to compose songs

What music styles are you listening to other than what you produce?
All music genres, no one in particular favor.

Who is/are you favorite artist(s)?
I have no favorite artists, all have something to convey.

What do you think is the future for Italo Dance music?
The future of music "Italian dance" is short!
This is because here in Italy the radio networck (radio deejay, radio 105 etc.) have decided that it is rubbish.
This message has hammered the people, so people would be convinced!
The problem is that they are aged, and should change jobs, leaving room for young dj!

What do you like to do on your spare time?
I like skiing, playing table tennis

What are your plans for the future? style, project etc.
My plans for the future are many.
The first is to find many labels in the world that taking my lumps, directly from my label,
without passing by Italian labels, promoting music that has no market! See for example the Italian dance version of Eddy Wata "The Light", the label that I gave (doit-yourself) do not like it, (although much demand) and not to promote!

What news can you reveal for us about your future productions?
The news I can reveal for the future, I think, is the sort dance-pop (Britney Spears, rihanna etc.) I believe that the electronic dance, house, has closed it's round. Even if they want to impose the dj

hello and Thanks

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Interesting to read actually..
It's easy to see that the problem does not lie with the artists, they want to produce italo and as he points out there's a deman too. The labels are just ignorant believing no one likes italo. Sanny J at least knows this.. just look at his sales numbers they are great.

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Totally, this time it's great to have the opinion from someone "in". he confirms that the problem is really with the labels! as CFE said, look @ Sanny J sales number, he sold more than 7 000copies of his album Dance With Me and re-released it due to the high sales ! it's pretty good for a genre people are supposed to hate..

Fuck the Labels ! one of the worst is probably DIY, they're maybe releasing the compilations DJ Selection, but they just don't believe in italo anymore... but they should remember that it's with Italo that they sold more than thousands of albums/CDM of Molella, HSG, Safeway and MANY more...

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Dub-J is one of the greatest Smile

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Good realword answers! thanx McWaust and Diego!

yeah..
It's time to think about future of italo dance music...
But i dont really care - will people buy MSG production or nope. Smile

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In my view the first problem is that nowadays in general people DON'T BUY MUSIC...and now this effect is stronger cause the crisis.

Young people have learned that music is something easy, quick and cheap to get (Internet)...so for a lot of people music has not any real value.

So...labels just want what they maybe can sell: TV products.

Music understood as a business is absolutelly going down now but we will see in the future when we will reach the post-crisi period...maybe is the new RENAISSANCE and Dance music is at top again Wink

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djcuad wrote:
In my view the first problem is that nowadays in general people DON'T BUY MUSIC...and now this effect is stronger cause the crisis.

Agreed !

And we must keep in mind that downloading music illegally is the same as going into a CD-store and stealing the CD...

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Yep Bob, but the problem is also "educational" cause young people has grown learning that music is easy-free-quick to get so for them music is just something to enjoy for just a little period (A SONG = NO VALUE). They get this song as quick as they forget it.

When Labels know that the 90% of people just know the typical fashion songs...they release that kind of music.

Now the main new musical formations are just artists that you won't remember in 1-2 years (in electronic music an example is Cascada)...cause they are FAST FOOD PRODUCTS.

But there are a 10% of people that are interested and specialised in the music they really like...but as you know, this is not an enough business for labels.

An extra point on why music doesn't sell too many CD's is that labels are very slow releasing new songs. From the day you notice a song/album to the day it's released you can become a beard man like Tom Hanks at the film "shipwrecked"...and I'm too optimistic saying that!

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Music business isn't in crisis at all Smile they say "yeah omg, cd sells lost 10% this year" but they never tell that thanks to Internet, tons of people are downloading songs legally ! it keeps the balance straight !

All the things around "yeah we're loosing money etc.;" it's just PURE FAKE Wink

Ofc, for small producers, in italo for example, i have to admit, they suffer from the illegal download..but what can we do? nothing..

Anyway personally, i'm buying all the cds from the artists i like (when i can), otherwise i just download..i mean fuck the huge labels, they have enough money, they don't need mine Wink

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Dj Aquacrash wrote:
And we must keep in mind that downloading music illegally is the same as going into a CD-store and stealing the CD...

You are actually quite wrong in that point of view. Stealing implies that you take something from someone without permission but this is not the case with downloading. There you get hold on a copy of copyrighted material, no one loses anything, nothing is lost - and therefore it is not stealing. It is still illegal though and I'm not saying it aint wrong or anything Wink

Comparing downloading to stealing is just not realistic since most people downloading wouldn't steal anything in real life.

And Luc.. it doesn't matter if the label is big or small.. most of the money goes to the artist anyway. So no matter the size of the label you should still support the artist.

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CFE wrote:
You are actually quite wrong in that point of view. Stealing implies that you take something from someone without permission but this is not the case with downloading. There you get hold on a copy of copyrighted material, no one loses anything, nothing is lost - and therefore it is not stealing. It is still illegal though and I'm not saying it aint wrong or anything Wink

Comparing downloading to stealing is just not realistic since most people downloading wouldn't steal anything in real life.

And Luc.. it doesn't matter if the label is big or small.. most of the money goes to the artist anyway. So no matter the size of the label you should still support the artist.

WROOOOONG!!! Tongue

1. It IS stealing ...cause as you say it's copyrighted material = you have to pay to get it! Wink otherwise it's STEALING!!

2. I'd bet if people wouldn't get caught, they would steal with arms and legs!! [very danish said :D]

3. No.. not all artists gets payed from the small label and surtainly not MOST of the money - where did you read that? Smile

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WROOOOONG!!! Tongue

1. It IS stealing ...cause as you say it's copyrighted material = you have to pay to get it! Wink otherwise it's STEALING!!

2. I'd bet if people wouldn't get caught, they would steal with arms and legs!! [very danish said :D]

3. No.. not all artists gets payed from the small label and surtainly not MOST of the money - where did you read that? Smile

To answer your assumptions one by one:

1. It is not stealing, and I repeat myself - stealing implies that someone loses something, when you download no one will lose anything therefore it is not stealing. It is wrong to use the word stealing for illegal downloading cause the definition of the word stealing just doesnt cover what you do when you download. Downloading would be the same as to go to a CD store, pick a CD, copy it and put the original CD back = nothing is stolen.

2. Well that is probable and I know what your point is.. people just seem to care less when crime is comitted digitally.

3. Well then you are really bad at negotiating a contract.. Generally speaking the artist gets the most.

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CFE> Nope, i'm sorry an artists releasing on Universal or Virgin or other big shit have enough money ! so they don't need mine, as i said.. i'm supporting artists like Cascada by..playing them at parties or just listening to them ..that's enough Laughing out loud

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djcuad wrote:
In my view the first problem is that nowadays in general people DON'T BUY MUSIC...and now this effect is stronger cause the crisis.

Young people have learned that music is something easy, quick and cheap to get (Internet)...so for a lot of people music has not any real value.

So...labels just want what they maybe can sell: TV products.

Music understood as a business is absolutelly going down now but we will see in the future when we will reach the post-crisi period...maybe is the new RENAISSANCE and Dance music is at top again Wink


Totally not true! Ok, for some heartless people it might be that way, but it's definitely not like that for me & i know i'm not alone..
The only reason i download music is because i'm not able to buy & i do feel guilty for it (but only when it's a really awesome song Smile). & for a genre like italo dance where you have to order & ship & the whole shabang it gets even harder for me to buy music... If i could just go down to the cd-store & buy italo i would totally do it! but, it's not like that... :'(
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CFE wrote:
To answer your assumptions one by one:

1. It is not stealing, and I repeat myself - stealing implies that someone loses something, when you download no one will lose anything therefore it is not stealing. It is wrong to use the word stealing for illegal downloading cause the definition of the word stealing just doesnt cover what you do when you download. Downloading would be the same as to go to a CD store, pick a CD, copy it and put the original CD back = nothing is stolen.

2. Well that is probable and I know what your point is.. people just seem to care less when crime is comitted digitally.

3. Well then you are really bad at negotiating a contract.. Generally speaking the artist gets the most.

I get what you're trying to prove, but still... you're wrong Tongue
Even if music isn't a material thing that you can actually /take/, doesn't mean you cant steal it. By downloading it for free you get the song without paying the price that you should of if you had bought it.
So it kind of is stealing, cause youre... taking the money the artist never got? Laughing out loud

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Like dano says in last post... Smile If you don't pay = you steal, cause the artist won't get payed for you playing his copyrighted product Smile

About labels.. yes the artists on BIG labels gets most money - but not in the SMALL labels, I don't believe that.

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Dano: So you are one of the 10% of people I mention in my other post: a person that likes something that is not tv-popular and that would buy CD's in the recordstore. So we are telling the same!

Respect if downloading is ILLEGAL or its like STEALING...difficult topic.

I think first of all downloading mp3 music now is like an absolutelly normal act in the life of people.
Also I think is not easy to prove that EMULE (for example) is illegal cause its a way to share files...
Also I think that lots of artists know that Internet is bad for them but at the same time they need internet cause the promotion.
In the case of Italodance music, now the artists need completely Internet ...and I think that lots of times they need to "give free" their songs in order to become known. That fact has happened in lots of cases.

In my view, and I repeat, the main problem is that nowadays for the general people the value of any song tends to be zero.

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Just 2 extra comments:

- In Italodance music (that represent now the small labels) you don't earn too much money selling CD's...obviously.

- In a philosofic way, if you download a copyright registered song, you're stealing. In a legal way, its more difficult to prove that you're stealing.

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dano wrote:
I get what you're trying to prove, but still... you're wrong Tongue Even if music isn't a material thing that you can actually /take/, doesn't mean you cant steal it. By downloading it for free you get the song without paying the price that you should of if you had bought it. So it kind of is stealing, cause youre... taking the money the artist never got? Laughing out loud

Legally (and grammatically) speaking to download is not to steal. In a court of law you would not be judged after any property paragraphs, you would be judged after the paragraphs of copyright.

Whether labels and artist lose money due to downloading is a whole other discussion. It's definetely not for sure that people downloading would buy the music if they couldn't download it. In some investigations it has even been proved that people downloading buys more music than people who doesn't download.
Personally I find both explanations valid. I think the general problem is that large labels doesn't promote italo as they used to.

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CFE wrote:
Legally (and grammatically) speaking to download is not to steal. In a court of law you would not be judged after any property paragraphs, you would be judged after the paragraphs of copyright.

Whether labels and artist lose money due to downloading is a whole other discussion. It's definetely not for sure that people downloading would buy the music if they couldn't download it. In some investigations it has even been proved that people downloading buys more music than people who doesn't download.
Personally I find both explanations valid. I think the general problem is that large labels doesn't promote italo as they used to.


I know what you're trying to say, but it's still stealing! Maybe if i put it in a teletubbie way it'll make sense..

If the purple teletubbie got online at let's say... musica world () & downloaded the yellow teletubbies newest hit song "We repeat ourselves alot".
The price that the purple teletubbie should have payed, was let's say 1 €, which the yellow teletubbie should have recieved & bought that cream thighy the teletubbies always eat.
But since the purple teletubbie never payed 1 € & went on musica world instead, the yellow teletubbie never got the creamy thing.

Sum up; The purple teletubbie stole the creamy thing the yellow teletubbie could have got for the song.

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I think everyone understands now.. Cause everyone watch Teletubbies Smile

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Well no, ofc not, but i think it will be easier to understand now

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dano wrote:
If the purple teletubbie got online at let's say... musica world () & downloaded the yellow teletubbies newest hit song "We repeat ourselves alot". The price that the purple teletubbie should have payed, was let's say 1 €, which the yellow teletubbie should have recieved & bought that cream thighy the teletubbies always eat. But since the purple teletubbie never payed 1 € & went on musica world instead, the yellow teletubbie never got the creamy thing.

Sum up; The purple teletubbie stole the creamy thing the yellow teletubbie could have got for the song.

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Nice example indeed.. Your example only explains why record companies think they lose income.
That's like saying that you expect your dad to buy you an ice cream - he never buys you the ice cream.
According to you, your dad stole your ice cream.. But he never bought you any so how could he have stolen it Puzzled

You think you lost income (the ice cream), even though nothing was ever taken from you. You just expected income but never got it and therefore think you lost it = you think someone stole something you never got, so you didn't actually have anything anyone could steal.

It's the same with your Teletubbies, the yellow teletubbie expected an income from the purple teletubbie to buy the creamy thing - but never got it. The purple teletubbie didn't take anything from the yellow teletubbie, he just copied property of the yellow teletubbie, so the yellow teletubbie lost expected income. But since what is lost is the expected income the yellow teletubbie doesn't actually lose anything and therefore nothing is stolen. The yellow teletubbie expected to get the creamy thing, but never got it - therefore the purple teletubbie wouldn't be able to steal it either = nothing is stolen, only copied.

This is why you think something is stolen: because the purple teletubbie was supposed to pay, but didn't.

You could compare it to regular customers in a regular store.. before the customers pay, you take their money. Nothing is stolen from the store (the yellow teletubbie) because nothing was ever given to him. he just expected to get paid. The store lost something that was never given to them and therefore didn't lose anything because you can't lose something you don't have!!

Hope you now understand why downloading can't be the same as stealing.

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Yes, yes, i know what you're meaning but it's still some kind of stealing. I don't mean that it's like beating up the old lady next door, taking her car keys & driving away, i mean... let me put it this way;
You go to a resturant & order an appetizer, main course & dessert. After you finished eating you suddenly feel like there's no reason to pay & walk away. In that way you dont give the resturant the money they've earned for serving you, and pretty much screw them over.
Just like that, the artists dont get the money they should have got if we bought their songs (that they've spent so much time & effort to make Smile) & didn't download them. We just listen to them, & never pay for them, which we really should since it... has an actual price.

MAKES SENSE?!?! Smile

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dano wrote:
Yes, yes, i know what you're meaning but it's still some kind of stealing. I don't mean that it's like beating up the old lady next door, taking her car keys & driving away, i mean... let me put it this way; You go to a resturant & order an appetizer, main course & dessert. After you finished eating you suddenly feel like there's no reason to pay & walk away. In that way you dont give the resturant the money they've earned for serving you, and pretty much screw them over. Just like that, the artists dont get the money they should have got if we bought their songs (that they've spent so much time & effort to make Smile) & didn't download them. We just listen to them, & never pay for them, which we really should since it... has an actual price.

MAKES SENSE?!?! Smile

It makes sense for sure, it is just not right since you can't compare digital crime such as copyright infractions with stolen property because nothing is lost - And I'll be happy to explain yet again why it aint so.

If you order the food, eat it and don't pay you have stolen the food - but that has nothing to do with copyright infraction which downloading is.

On the other hand if you order the food, don't eat it, but copy it (hypothetically) it would be the same as a copyright violation. You make the restaurant cook your food, but you don't eat their food, you eat the copy you just made. The restaurant lost potential income but nothing is stolen.

Downloading is copying, not stealing.

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A guy goes into a cd store and looks on a cd... few seconds after he takes the cd an walks towards the exit ...a guy from the store personal yells "Hey! what a you think you're doing?" ..the guy answers "Don't worry I'll come back with it tomorrow, I just have to go home an copy it" .... Tongue Tongue Tongue

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If that was possible I wouldn't hesitate borrowing a lot of video games and dvd movies

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CFE wrote:
Downloading is copying, not stealing.

No, it's not. Well.. in one way it is copying, but it's still stealing.
A song/album is an actual.. "thing", you know. It has a real price & it should be payed for, thats why you can buy it in stores & stuff.
That's why it's stealing, your taking the song/album of the internet without paying for it, as you should.

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It's getting pointless.. I have explained to you why downloading is not stealing both in a legally and a grammatically way and I have explained where your points are wrong in your examples, so if you still believe it's stealing I must say you are quite naive.

And you must understand that there is a clear difference between digital goods and physical goods. It doesn't mean you can steal something just because it has a price and should be paid for. A physical store and a digital store is two very different things, you can steal goods in a physical store but not in a digital store. Bits and bytes on a harddrive it's not something you can steal, you can copy them or you can tear apart the computer and steal the actual harddrive with the music on.

You must also understand that legally stealing has a clear definition. It is very possible that you might take different kinds of situations for stealing but in a legal sense the definition has to be clear and that definition is what I have explained to you. If it wasn't so, judges would have a really hard time judging anyone in a court of law.

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Too much text to say useless things Smile [spam]

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I can say a very useful thing in very few words: STOP! We will never agree! Tongue